A Mass Uprising Is Here, Protect It From The Ruling Class

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Above photo: Demonstrators on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, in downtown Los Angeles. AP Photo/Ringo H.W. Chiu.

The breadth of the uprising is astounding with antiracism protests in all 50 states and more than 500 cities plus more than 13,500 arrests in 43 cities. This weekend there were larger numbers of protesters in the streets including cities and towns of all sizes. In Washington, DC, where we were, the crowds were multi-racial and crossed all ages but were dominated by black youth. People were united in their opposition to racism and police abuse and their calls for systemic change.

While the crowds were notable in the nation’s capital, across the country, and around the world, what stood out this week is the palpable fear emanating from the White House. President Trump, who has blown racist dog whistles from his first-day campaigning in 2016, is afraid. His fear is demonstrated by ten-foot-tall black metal fences, fortified by concrete Jersey blocks surrounding not just the White House but all of Lafayette Park to the bottom of the Ellipse, and from 15th Street to 17th Street. Inside this fence are rows of smaller fences, mobile searchlights, and scores of police and military. Dump trucks block every entrance. The White House fence, which was built higher during the Trump-era, is covered in a white shroud to hide what is behind it. Comedian Sarah Cooper mocked Trump’s comments describing his visits to the secure bunker under the White House when the protests were at an angry peak. The failures of the US government to fulfill basic tasks of protecting and empowering people have reached a tipping point.

White House in the distance. Taken from Constitution Ave. Margaret Flowers.

This is a Take Off Moment for Ending Structural Racism

Racism in the United States did not start with Trump and it won’t end if he is defeated in November. The people at protests understand Trump is a symptom of deeper problems. While there were some anti-Trump signs outside the White House, the crowd was more focused on broader changes that are needed. The United States suffers from deep structural racism that creates economic inequality and an unfair criminal injustice system.

A national consensus is developing in favor of the protests. Polls indicate the public supports the uprising, sees the anger as justified, and even supported the burning down the police precinct in Minneapolis. Three out of four say racial and ethnic discrimination are big problems with  87% of black people believing they are more likely than whites to experience excessive force. Multiple polls show sympathy for the protests and support for their goals. There has been a shift in views on racism with the biggest change in acknowledging racism coming in the managerial class where many used to believe the US had evolved into a ‘post-racial society’. 

The persistent protest movement — which has been strengthening since there was a take-off after the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO six years ago and with the thousands of murders since then — has built national consensus for change. Now, there are opportunities for change but also challenges for the movement. Ajamu Baraka, of the Black Alliance for Peace, describes some of them in Black Agenda Report:

“The enemy knows how to quickly adapt in the ideological struggle: 1) undermine the emerging unity with white agitator propaganda, 2) follow up with declaration against something called Antifa as a terrorist group, 3) instruct the police to join demos and express solidarity, 4) release statements from police chiefs and others pushing the bad apples theme, and most important, 5) keep the focus on the individual and call for ‘justice’ for that individual to avoid attention on the systemic and enduring elements of Black and Brown colonized oppression.”

March in Washington, DC on June 6 2020. By Patricio Zamorano.

The Movement can Overcome the Challenges We Face and Win

Here are some of the ways we can overcome the challenges the power structure is putting in our way.

Divide and Rule – Unite and Build Power:  When the power structure sees white and black people uniting to work for common goals, it gets worried. It will do all it can overtly and covertly to divide the movement. For example, despite the FBI saying there is no evidence, the Trump administration accused Antifa (short for Anti-Fascist) of being an organization (it isn’t) committing violence at protests. In fact, a report found that a far-right group masquerading as Antifa was promoting violence. There is evidence that provocateurs, including officers in uniform, have been destroying property, and police have brutalized thousands of protesters over the past two weeks. Any attempts to denigrate one group or sow division, such as the ‘good protester/bad protester’ myth, must be met with skepticism.

We must strive for greater unity in the movement by linking our struggles and promoting a common vision of the society we wish to create. Just prior to the police murdering George Floyd, a movement was building for a general strike. That campaign is ongoing and is being manifested in various ways. Payday report cites more than 220 wildcat strikes, many involving working-class people of color, that have occurred in the United States since early March. Rent strikes are taking place and millions more are ready to rent strike. Black Lives Matter is calling for a statewide general strike in Washington state on June 12. The general strike campaign calls for nationwide actions on the first of each month.

The National Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression is calling for a national day of action on Saturday, June 13 calling for the transformational change of democratic community control of the police.

Offer Weak Reforms – Demand Systemic Changes: People exercising their First Amendment rights are calling for transformational changes such as abolishing the institution of police, ending the militarization of our communities, and investing in black and brown communities. Already, a few groups are working to shift the demands to a weaker platform such as spending less money on police and banning the knee-on-neck technique that officer Chauvin used to kill George Floyd. Banning techniques such as chokeholds have failed. Police still use them and they get away with it. While there must be justice for George Floyd and others killed by police, this is not only about convicting police who terrorize communities, but about stopping police terror and the entire racist system in the United States that is repressing people at home and abroad. Police serve as enforcers of the racism that pervades education, healthcare, housing, employment, the legal system, and foreign policy. The movement may celebrate minor victories along the way, but we must build power to win systemic changes that end the institutions and policies that perpetuate structural racism and inequality.

Diversion to Elections – Escalate Street Heat: There are already efforts to distract the movement to focus on President Trump and divert people’s attention to the upcoming presidential election. The Democratic mayor of Washington DC took performative action when she had “Black Lives Matter” painted on 16th Street in front of the White House, but DC residents weren’t having it and called her out for increasing the police budget while cutting social programs. In a recent essay, Obama urged reforms enacted through elections as have other black misleaders, as Margaret Kimberley describes.  The always-opportunist Rev. Al Sharpton, a longtime Democratic operative, has called for a March on Washington on August 28. This will likely be a Democratic Party anti-Trump rally to kick off the final months of “get out the vote” for the presidential election. People know the record of Joe Biden – opposing integration of schools, escalating the war on drugs, being an architect of mass incarceration, and supporting the interests of his corporate donors over the necessities of the people. We will not elect our way out of these crises. We must continue to build our capacity to stay in the streets, even if it is once a week, and our pressure through tactics like strikes and other forms of non-cooperation to build enough power to overcome the ruling class.

Unleash the Counter-Revolution – Defy It:  If the movement is not defeated by these tactics, but instead grows larger by unifying fronts of struggle and escalating our demands, there will be more efforts to suppress us. In Occupy, the Obama administration, through the FBI and Homeland Security working with local police, escalated their tactics, sending infiltrators into the movement to create divisions and throw the movement off course. It entrapped participants in crimes with serious consequences and used the media to create opposition. We know this is coming, so we can be prepared. Our goal must be solidarity, protecting each other, and remaining persistent with unwavering demands. When the power structure escalates their tactics, it is a sign we are winning. It is a show of weakness, not strength on their part and that means it’s time for protests to escalate.

These are all some of the common tactics used against popular movements. In our web-based free school “How Social Transformation Occurs”, we review these and other strategies used by the power structure and how movements can respond. People involved in the vibrant movements of our times need to be well informed so we are a movement of leaders who are prepared to win.

Marchers in Washington, DC on June 6, 2020. Patricio Zamorano.

The Movement Is Already Defeating The Ruling Class’ Tactics

The media described the uprising as a “riot” involved in violence and property destruction but the movement responded by using videos to show black organizers trying to stop people, some of whom seemed to be undercover police or white supremacists. When mayors put in place curfews, people came out in larger numbers to ignore the curfew. When police assaulted people with batons, rubber bullets, and chemical weapons, they were caught on camera and shown to be the instigators of violence. In response to thousands of complaints about police actions, Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan and Police Chief Carmen Best announced a 30-day ban on the use of tear gas and a review of police actions with an emphasis on de-escalation. 

As the result of a class-action suit in Colorado, federal Judge R. Brooke Jackson ordered the police to stop using tear gas, rubber bullets, and other “less-than-lethal” forces like flash grenades and ordered body cameras to be used at all times. The judge noted videos of police injuring people, including journalists, without giving any warnings. 

When President Trump threatened to use the military against people, there was a rapid response opposing him. Some GI’s and National Guard troops have refused to follow orders against the people. Courage to Resist has set up a fund to defend them. And, a lawsuit was filed against the police’s actions.

The movement for change in the United States has grown and matured in recent decades. We must continue to protest, be non-compliant with the power structure, defy the opposition’s tactics, support each other’s needs, and build alternative structures. This is how we will transform our society in a way that respects human rights and protects the planet. The time is now. Let’s keep doing the work.

  • Thank you, Dr. Flowers and Mr. Zeese, for the most thoughtfully informative roundup of news and analysis I’ve seen since this rebellion began — and I read (or at least scan) close to 100 such reports per day.

    Normally I rely on the Associated Press website — constantly updated 24/7 — for pretty-much-uncensored breaking news, also on Reader Supported News, which provides access to national and international reports carefully selected for relevance.

    For analysis I most often turn to Black Agenda Report and the World Socialist Web Site; indeed I consider the former the source of the most relevant news-analysis now published in the United States — a reflection of my Marxian view, confirmed by Soviet intelligence reports leaked after our Masters’ defeated the U.S.S.R., that we whites (if indeed we are ever to achieve revolutionary liberation), must start by following the proletarian leadership arising amongst those of us who are most oppressed — i.e., people of color.

    Thus with the above work — an exceptionally well-written and edited combination of scoops and analyses (the former including vital stories the CIA-directed Mainstream Media Propaganda Machine has suppressed) — Popular Resistance has momentarily far out-shined all these other sources.

    May it continue to produce such vital excellence. Hence not only my gratitude, but applause, Big Time.

    ***** .

    For those who do not know me and thus have no way to understand where I’m coming from:

    I am a 7/8ths-retired [yet still award-winning] print journalist, an octogenarian since the end of March, most recently honored last year for the monthly newsletter I founded in 2015 and have edited ever since — this to serve the 40-resident senior-housing community where I have dwelt since 2004.

    My newspaper career began late in my 16th year,1956, on The Grand Rapids Herald, where I was both a copy boy and a sports stringer. Since then I’ve served the public’s right to know as editor-in-chief, news editor, photo editor, city editor, “rim-rat” (copy editor), investigative reporter (the source of most of my awards), staff photographer, sports editor, sports writer etc. Several of my investigative reports (including at least two from Washington state) were taken up by The New York Times, and my picture credits include Paris Match and Newsweek.

    Also freelanced, of course, and taught photography and journalism as a part-time instructor at a community college, a state university.and as a private tutor.

    I’ve always tried to balance journalism’s demand for what it calls “objectivity” (which I’d rather be called “fairness”) with my own need for progressive activism, especially since that same activism led me to several of my scoops.

    But such implicitly socialist vision is methodically and sometimes brutally discouraged by Capitalist newspapers.

    For example, in 1963 I was not only fired by The Knoxville Journal for my civil-rights advocacy, but was arrested in its newsroom for alleged “disorderly conduct”– a malicious charge so glaringly bogus the county prosecutor himself moved for its dismissal. (Anyone interested in reading further details of this mass-arrest, white-racist outrage should google “Censorship: Lessons from Nader and a Knoxville Atrocity.”

    In 1969 I was fired by the same Morris County Daily Record for which my news-editorship had played a major role in winning a major New Jersey Press Association first-place award just the year before.

    Never figured out what my alleged sin might have been. But my two investigative reporters had been moving ever closer to the Cosa Nostra corruption that underlies all New Jersey politics, had already sent a couple of bureaucrats to jail, and most likely were getting too close to where the bodies were buried. not all of them proverbial.

    Such is the “free” USian press, which as we have since learned is naught but the privately owned, for-profit version of Josef Goebbels’ infamous Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, with the content of every daily newspaper and major magazine in the imperial homeland policed by the CIA just as the Gestapo policed the media of Nazi Germany — with every publisher and most editors-in-chief functioning as Goebbels wanna-bees.

    Welcome to the real United States — which under the Trump/Pence Regime no longer hide its Nazi-inspired intent to become the Global Fourth Reich.

  • pajarito

    I have read and heard that vehicle caravans in the COVID-19 era are successfully rallying people, but they pollute. Some caravans use some bicyclists, all bicycle actions may be effective too. The larger number of protesters who are coming out to defy curfews shows the effectiveness of non-violence. So much can be accomplished through creative non-violent actions and campaigns that build toward a broad uprising.

  • kevinzeese

    Thank you so much. I often appreciate your comments on this site.

    Thanks for the summary of your very interesting career as well.

  • John Schoonover

    Don’t be ridiculous. People drive. A minority of enthusiasts in the US cycle.

  • floyd gardner

    Yellow banners around White House reading: “CRIME SCENE” – you got THAT right!

  • kevinzeese

    Yes. When we saw those Crime Scene police tape we had to take the picture. Too historic. I wonder if the police who put it up were protesting in their own subtle way.

  • Bill Rood

    Thank you for pointing out the bi-partisan nature of the problem, particularly Obama’s well organized suppression of Occupy. However, you shouldn’t have given Antifa a pass. Their bicycle locks are definitely violent, and they are organized. The agents provocateur are bi-partisan. A pox on both their houses. Vote 3rd party/independent in November.

  • Shlomo Orr

    No. ANTIFA is NOT organized as such. Don’t fall into it. ANTIFA (anti-fascist) is the “enemy” and scapegoat invented by Trump and his followers. It is the red cloth waved in front of the blinded bull. As the article stated, and “dmorista” elaborated below , the right wing is playing this game, so that if anti-fascist is “bad”, then they (the fascists) must be “good”. Don’t fall into it.

  • Shlomo Orr

    A n excellent summary, with very good points. It makes me wonder: 13.500 protestors were detained (in 53 cities) – where were they detained exactly? in jail? was this part of the plot, in times of deadly COVID-19 they herd hundreds of people into confined centers, with apparently many prisoners (if not all) already being infected – in which case, this is not just detention, but rather a crime against humanity.

  • Shlomo Orr

    Good points, dmorista…

  • jim james

    Guess you don’t know the AP is as awful as they come (for propaganda).

  • dmorista

    This far-right shill, who regularly posts comments at Breitbart so-called “News” and other far-right websites like Fort Russ, is trying to confuse and obfuscate the issues here. Agents Provocateurs are typically used against social activists and dissenters on the Left. For every time Agents Provocateurs (the real item, the actual police agents who infiltrate left-wing movements and attempt to incite violent actions and then just commit those acts themselves and then run away and disappear behind police lines) are used against Right-wing organization,s they are used a couple of hundred times against Left-wing organizations. In addition we have large number of far-right organizations that are providing provocateurs to start fires, lead looting, and incite or commit violent acts, and we have right-wing vigilantes who work independently to start fires, lead looting, and commit other violent acts.

    Antifa, despite Trump’s fevered dreams and rhetoric, is not an organization. It is an idea, and various actors will claim to be, or will be labeled by others, as Antifa. By imposing an executive order declaring Antifa to be a terrorist organization, Trump and the police agencies, public and secret, are trying to open a new avenue of repression in their attempt to quash the protests and the discontent.

  • Obviously you don’t know AP’s a nonprofit co-op, hence far less censored than the for-maximum-profit MMPM.

    And while it does run some Capitalist propaganda — for example our ChristoNazi government’s Big Lie the pandemic originated in China — it also disseminates a great deal of real news, including regularly updated anti-government fact-checks.

    Besides which, I’m sure most of us here at RSN are knowledgeable enough — that is, not too conditioned to Moron Nation ignorance — to discern the difference between reality and fiction.

  • Indeed!

  • Excellent article!

    “The enemy knows how to quickly adapt in the ideological struggle: 1) undermine the emerging unity with white agitator propaganda, 2) follow up with declaration against something called Antifa as a terrorist group, 3) instruct the police to join demos and express solidarity, 4) release statements from police chiefs and others pushing the bad apples theme, and most important, 5) keep the focus on the individual and call for ‘justice’ for that individual to avoid attention on the systemic and enduring elements of Black and Brown colonized oppression.”

  • Jeff

    Don’t be both ridiculous and uninformed. Only about 8% of the people in the world drive. Driving is very environmentally destructive for many reasons. Are you ignorant of that, or do you just not care?

  • Collectivist

    Great article.

    Another strategy being used by the ruling class, esp. the liberal wing is to promote the least revolutionary and most confused elements within the movement.

    Even here locally, the most radical forces on the streets (not to be conflated with the most violent) are generally not be interviewed by comercial media.

    It’s the usual sellouts, emphasizing MLK’s “I Have a Dream” message rather than the much more provocative messages. Any evidence that systemic racism is inextricably connected to class, is being overlooked.

    “Let’s all hold hands and sing kumbaya”

  • John Schoonover

    I agree with you about pollution, but practically, most people I know don’t even have bikes and would not have been able to participate with hundreds of other drivers in a #BLM caravan in my small city yesterday.

  • Edward Winslow

    ..

  • Edward Winslow

    I’ve long admired your succinct and detailed analyses.

  • dmorista

    Thank you, I put some effort into these comments.

  • Jeff

    It’s way beyond just pollution, though the pollution that causes global warming/climate change is causing an existential crisis. Oil spills, toxic pollution from refining oil, even roads themselves are very ecologically and environmentally harmful. I realize that many modern humans have created societies where driving is normal and sometimes even necessary, but you shouldn’t denigrate people who point out the great harms that driving does.

  • The work is evident in your writing. Always insightful.

  • Harbinger

    It is always good to hear from you, Loren. Hoping you are well.

  • Thank you! I am well — remaining quarantined because my age. Hope you stay well also..

  • Thank YOU!

  • Harbinger

    I am under a different username, having been harassed by the same people who attacked you back in the day at Progressive Independent.

  • jim james

    The AP is horrible trash.

  • Obviously I know better; just as obviously, you don’t.

  • Thank you — but why was your comment (“I’ve long admired your succinct and detailed analyses.. Keep ’em coming!”) deleted?

  • jim james

    what’s sad is that you do not know better.

    You’re extremely biased and blind to reality. The AP is corporate propaganda. You’d know that if you’ve ever had the misfortune of reading their b.s.

  • jim james

    Let me guess, you think the NYT is credible too, amirite?

    You know I am? The NYT is absolutely corrupt propaganda.

    perhaps some bits of information seep through, even in your precious AP, but that hardly undercuts my point–you’re deluded to reality if you think reuters, ap, bbc, nyt, wapo, gives you any semblance of truth.

  • jim james

    Yeah, you better defend it because they’re coming, they’re coming (pun intended).

    The counterrevolutionaries are out in force, especially in Seattle. They’re already telling you it’s violent, they have no food, no toilet paper, etc and etc. They will tell you it’s not Paris 1868 or 1886. You tell them it is, it is Paris. Let’s hope it lasts and spreads, you know the Domino theory is real, in spite of what the status quo tells you.

  • jim james

    Sad, you shouldn’t.

  • Richard Allen

    All well and true, but Black people must recognise that police brutality and prison brutality is also suffered by White people. It is a common cause to totally restructure policing in USA and confine their activities to responding to threats against life. They must totally be denied the predatory behaviour that occupies most of their activities. I have not heard it mentioned that police are unleashed on the public by the municipalities themselves. Policing has become a large source of revenue through the excessive use of citations from traffic stops to someone smoking a joint. There exist so many statutes that police are sent to enforce that any democracy movement must include a cancellation of many of these statutes.
    On the federal level I have not heard demands for a Constitutional Convention to be composed of the people themselves, not politicans. Short of revolution, this is the only way to dismantle and restructure the present oligarchic system that does not represent the majority of citizens.
    Young people have their hands full. Voting will change nothing. Only selfish interests pit up enough money to produce candidates.
    Perhaps the only solution will be to structure a looser confederation as was the original intent. The Civil War destroyed states’ rights as it battled secession. The country does not work under an imperial presidency and weak non-represtative Congress

  • kevinzeese

    See
    Policing needs to change nationally Breaking down to more states rights will mean the Confederate states will continue to be the lowest in terms of race and will drag the country down. We need a Department of Justice that does its jobs and protects people’s civil rights and controls violent and racist police.

    We also need democratic community control of the police so that communities determine who polices them and how. Power needs to be in the hands of the people then the police will protect and serve, otherwise they will be fired. See https://popularresistance.org/community-control-of-police/

  • Richard Allen

    Do you really trust a central federal government to assure police are fair and controlled? Perhaps in a smaller nation one could expect the central government to speak for the people. In USA there are several problems: the country is too large, it is diverse, it is ruled by oligarchic classes, it has not been credible for a long while, and voting is a joke. I would bring police control down to the lowest levels of government to closer people control and monitoring by citizens boards not composed of police or politicans. You fear some states would not do this properly. Perhaps, under the present conditions. Remember that reform is needed in the entire structure and politics of USA, not just police.

  • zak1

    BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS STAMINA

    My biggest concern is the time factor – the Establishment will try to out-wait these protests, stalling for time with cosmetic appeasement gestures, hoping that, over time, people will get tired or distracted, and the demonstrations will dissipate

    ESTABLISHMENT WILL DEPLOY ITS FULL TOOL-KIT

    In the meantime, they will try to co-opt the movement, dilute its demands, find ways to isolate it from public support, or sow division among its ranks, and I wouldn’t be surprised if soon the corporate media promotes some other distraction to try to channel attention away from this

    MOVEMENT SHOULD QUICKLY SET UP SOMETHING THAT WILL LAST

    Ralph Nader recently made the point that the protestors should capitalize on this moment to quickly secure resources to set up some lasting watchdog organizations who will monitor what unfolds regarding the protest demands, to keep reminding and updating the
    public about how the institutions are responding, tracking and assessing any promised reforms to make sure they’re fully implemented – they should be ready to make noise

    PROTESTS SHOULD REMAIN ALOOF FROM ELECTORAL POLITICS

    Along these lines, I think this protest movement should remain independent electorally, like the movement against the Vietnam War – I don’t think they should endorse any candidates or parties directly – the movement should continue leading itself – however, their watchdog groups could put out report cards evaluating candidate platforms and incumbent voting records in relation to the movement platform

    GREENS ARE ONLY NATIONAL PARTY FULLY BEHIND PROTEST DEMANDS

    At the same time, now that Sanders has retreated to Biden’s side, the Green Party is by far the only national ticket to fully embrace the movement platform and carry its arguments into the national elections

    FIGHT MEDIA BLACKOUT OF INDEPENDENT POLITICS

    – for all their presumed support for the protest movement, most progressive media have been blocking any discussion of the Greens as a ready and obvious electoral outlet for public dissent – at the very least, this party warrants ongoing coverage as the Democrats’ largest electoral rival on the left (the only journalist in the past 4 years who I saw covering them regularly was Bruce Dixon of Black Agenda Report)

    GREEN PARTY NEEDS TO MAKE ITSELF MORE VISIBLE

    Green frontrunners Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker are very compelling, far ahead of
    ANY two-party candidates in their vision and proposals, yet, so far, they seem content to wait for the media and their audiences to come and find them – they will need to adopt a much more assertive strategy to properly represent their supporters during this historic moment, and draw media attention to their party (we should also be seeing more Greens in the news and more overall media presence – not just the campaigns)

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    What source of misinformation do you prefer to the AP?

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    Maye that is the only tape they had at hand.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    How would food get to your grocery without professional drivers?

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    Great harms don’t need to be pointed out because they are obvious.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    Policing wasn’t required before Americans abdicated from the militia that was armed and well-regulated by the Second Amendment.
    The Department of Justice is not a police agency. Its remit is to operate the federal courts, most of which are extraconsttutional nd unlawful.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    A proper revolution is a return to the original situation, which was the well-obeyed Constitution. Treason was defined therein for the purpose, but no central government operative has ever been charged with treason because they control the administration of justice instead of the people. It is long past time to reinstitute public grand juries.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    Antifa and Al QAeda share parentage.

  • Jeff

    These harms are not at all obvious to most people because they don’t affect them immediately and directly. The great harms are to the natural world and everything that lives there, not to modern humans. Of course global warming/climate change is an existential crisis that should be obvious and affects everyone and everything on Earth, but most people don’t even realize how bad that is. Modern humans are so disconnected from the natural world that they don’t have a clue about it. Not to mention that my comment was in response to someone insulting someone else who pointed out one of the harms of driving.

  • Jeff

    The same way people did before cars. I’m not saying that people can give up driving immediately and completely, but that certainly should be the goal eventually.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    I hold a Commercial Drivers License and I can say with complete certainty that no one has ever commercially delivered groceries with a car. Why should giving up driving ever be the goal?

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    The real danger is in the proliferation of scientists willing to lie to keep their paychecks coming.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    What precisely is the difference between a pretend and a not pretend president?

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    You must be easily insulted.
    I think you all should do your protesting the old way, on foot.

  • Jeff

    I will only respond to this post because I want everyone to see my answer to your question. And BTW, I used to drive semis too, long-distance for five years, then local. But I gave that up and sold my car, mainly for environmental reasons.

    Driving causes major environmental and ecological harm as follows:
    1. Oil spills. These cause massive water pollution and killing of wildlife.
    2. Ecosystem harms and/or destruction. Oil rigs are ecologically harmful per se. They are invasions of the the natural world, and their mere presence is harmful. And of course there will be spills & leakage, causing further harm.
    3. Air pollution. This includes greenhouse gases, the unnatural emissions from which are the largest cause of global warming/climate change.
    4. Noise. Cars make unnatural noise, both from their engines and from the friction between the tires and the road, that is very disturbing to wildlife and annoying to those of use who appreciate lack of artificial noise like this.

    That’s just off the top of my head. If you are immorally inconsiderate of everything that’s not human, maybe this stuff doesn’t matter to you. But for the vast majority of the Earth (i.e., everything not human), these are major problems. To be clear, I don’t expect people to give up all driving immediately. But private motor vehicles could be ended in 50-100 years, and industrial society in 150-200. That’s what we should be advocating, not defense of driving, which I find totally disgusting.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    So, even driving an electric car causes oil spills, ecosystem harms and/or destruction, air pollution, and noise.
    Obviously everything that humans do can also cause these problem, so Bill Gates has the answer to all of nature’s problems.
    Your morality is too subjective for anyone else to objectify.
    I have never driven a semi, preferring complete vehicles.

  • zak1

    Interesting to consider

    BTW – I posted a comment on this thread 5 days ago that got marked as spam – I was trying to consider ways to protect this movement