Venezuela, The Small Country That Frightens The US

| Educate!

Clearing The FOG Radio Discusses Venezuela, Tells You What You Do Not Hear In The US Media

President Obama recently declared the small South American country of Venezuela to be a security threat to the largest empire in the history of the world. And the US commercial media fails to question this declaration. On this show, we discuss in depth why Venezuela frightens elites in the US. We talk about the Venezuelan economy, her struggle for radical democracy, the recent coup attempt, the upcoming elections and why Obama’s administration is working so hard to weaken Venezuela. Our guests are Alex Main of the Center for Economic and Policy Research and Professor George Ciccariello-Maher of Drexel University.

Listen here:

Venezuela, The Small Country that Frightens the US with Alex Main and George Ciccariello-Maher byClearingthefog on Mixcloud

Relevant articles and websites:

Invisible No More by George Ciccariello-Maher

Center for Economic and Policy Research

George Ciccariello

Guests:

Alex Main is Senior Associate for International Policy at the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, D.C. In his work at CEPR, Alexander focuses on U.S. foreign policy toward Latin America and the Caribbean and regularly engages with U.S. policy makers and civil society groups. His areas of expertise include Latin American integration and regionalism, U.S. security and counternarcotics policy in Central America, U.S. development assistance to Haiti, and U.S. relations with Bolivia, Ecuador, Honduras and Venezuela. His analyses on U.S. policy in the Americas have been published in a variety of media outlets such as Foreign Policy, Los Angeles Times, NACLA, Dissent and the Monde diplomatique. He is regularly interviewed by international media such as CNN en español, Telemundo, Al Jazeera English and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.  Prior to CEPR, Alexander spent more than six years in Latin America working as an international relations analyst. He holds degrees in history and political science from the Sorbonne University in Paris, France.

Dr. George Ciccariello-Maher joined the Drexel community after having taught political theory at U.C. Berkeley, San Quentin State Prison, and the Venezuelan School of Planning in Caracas. Everywhere that he has lived, from Caracas to Oakland, has impacted his approach to teaching, research, and how he understands the world more generally.

His research and teaching center on what could be called the “decolonial turn” in political thought, the moment of epistemic and political interrogation that emerges in response to colonialism and global social inequality. His first book, We Created Chávez, is a theoretically rich “people’s history” of contemporary Venezuela which locates the origins of current political dynamics in the long-term history of Venezuelan social movements, demonstrating that Hugo Chávez was not the cause, but rather the result, of a broader and more fundamental transformative process.

His second book project, Decolonizing Dialectics, seeks to contribute in a theoretical register to what his first book analyzes practically. In it, he plumb s the history of political thought for a radicalized understanding of the relationship between conflict and group identity (in the work of Georges Sorel), further charting the decolonization of this very conception and its projection onto a global framework (in the work of Frantz Fanon and Enrique Dussel).

He teaches a range of courses from the history of political thought to what is called “comparative political theory,” which poses a direct conversation and even conflict between standard, canonical, and largely European texts and those texts emerging from colonized spaces as direct critique of both traditional views and even the very existence of the canon itself. Further, in an innovative course entitled “Political Theory from Below,” he brings together Latin American political theory and political theory of the African Diaspora (including within the United States) with the practical activity of organic intellectuals and social movements. This approach is one that encourages students to leave behind the realm of pure theory and enter instead into rich conversation with the empirical and everyday world.

This dedication to real-world politics means that he frequently contributes journalistic writing to such publications as Counterpunch, MRZine, and Venezuela Analysis, ZNet, and Alternet among others, and he has written op-eds for the Philadelphia Inquirer and Fox News Latino. He appears regularly in media outlets ranging from community radio to NPR, from Al-Jazeera, CNN, Time Magazine, the Christian Science Monitor, and Fox News. His dedication to taking non-Western theory seriously leads him to take seriously his task as a translator, and he has translated dozens of texts by Enrique Dussel and others.

  • Jackblob

    Needless to say, Kevin Zeese, you are once again obscuring the truth to make your case. You know very well that the US does not see Venezuela as a military threat. The choice of words is a mere technicality to imposing sanction. The US has already said that they do not see Venezuela as a military threat.

    Also, unlike the words of you and Maduro, the sanctions are not against Venezuela but a few individuals.

    You also know that the recent alleged coup attempt is a lie by Maduro to deflect from domestic problems. Ledezma, apparently, is the only culprit and surely he will face a secret sham of a trial just like Leopoldo Lopez. What a farce. And, as you should know by now, the plane that was allegedly going to bomb targets in Caracas, the Super Tucano, is incapable of such a feat. Maduro made it all up and you folks swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

    FYI: Did you read all the stuff on Gregory Wilpert? He not only runs Venezuelanalysis, he works for Telesur and his wife is a Venezuelan diplomat. See the following:

    alekboyd(dot)blogspot(dot)ca/2010/06/new-york-times-exposes-gregory-wilpert.html

    Your trusted sources, Venezuelanalysis and Telesur, are a sham.

    A little critical thinking is all that is needed to see through the sham. Try it sometime.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Was the coup attempt against Chavez in 2002 also a lie? How about the one in Guatemala in 1954? The one in Chile in 1973? How about the one in Honduras in 2009? And those are just scratching the surface. Why are you any better than the sources you mock?

  • Jackblob

    The 2002 coup is not a lie but the hundreds of subsequent coup and assassination plots alleged by the Venezuelan government are lies. For example, one year ago three Venezuelan air force generals were arrested for allegedly plotting a coup. Who are these generals? Their names were never released. When was their trial? That is another mystery. No generals failed to show up for duty. What is your conclusion to that story, legitimate or a fabrication?

    The Chavez led coup in 1992 followed by another the same year are not lies either. But, of course, the Venezuelan government do not see it that way. They do not call the events of 1992 a coup? It is celebrated as much as any national holiday.

    Regarding the recent coup allegations, I mentioned the Super Tucano airplane which Maduro said would fly from Colombian territory and bomb multiple targets in Caracas. Did you investigate the capability of the Super Tucano or did you simply dismiss me?

    The reason I mock sources such as Telesur, Venezuelanalysis, and any site that parrots them which includes Popular Resistance, is very evident in the link I provided. Did you read it? The fact that Gregory Wilpert runs Venezuelanalysis, works for Telesur and is married to a Venezuelan diplomat does not compromise him in your eyes?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Wow! You work hard at being credulous, don’t you? You believe every lie that the fanged clowns overthrowing governments for a living tell you. Of course you mock people that don’t work for them. They get in the way and tell truths that people like you have to work hard trying to discredit.

  • Jackblob

    Your derision masks your inability to answer the questions I asked of you.

    Was the coup allegation from one year ago real or a fabrication?

    Is the Super Tucano capable of doing what Maduro alleges?

    The fact that Gregory Wilpert runs Venezuelanalysis, works for Telesur and is married to a Venezuelan diplomat does not compromise him in your eyes?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Because your questions are too stupid to be worth a direct answer, I decided to throw your propaganda-spewing mind with a few general truths.

    I know that you will never admit that you work with the CIA and the Venezuelan oligarchs trying to grab off the wealth of the country’s resources, so why shouldn’t I be derisive of your claim that someone must be one of your allies to be believed?

  • Jackblob

    Do you deny that Gregory Wilpert is married to a Venezuelan diplomat?

    Do you deny that three air force generals were accused of plotting a coup?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    So what?

    Gregory Wilpert should be married to an oil executive? An NED agent? Leopold Lopez’s mother?

    Isn’t perverting the military a traditional way part that coup d’etats are done in Latin America?

    You “logic” sounds more like failed propaganda than logic.

  • Jackblob

    You seem incapable of answering some very simple questions. Is it because you don’t like the answers they would illicit?

    Here’s a question for you: What is the poverty rate in Venezuela? If you have a number, please give the source and the year of the rate you quote.

  • Jackblob

    Was the coup allegation against the three air force generals from one year ago real or a fabrication?

  • Jackblob

    Gregory Wilbert is not only the founder of Venezuelanalysis and married to a Venezuelan diplomat, he is the director of Telesur English which is government owned.

    Gregory Wilpert works for the Venezuelan government.

    You see no conflict of interest?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Kevin Zeese already disposed of that silly question. Go look and review your failed attempt to sabotage his article even with that huge flood of propaganda your poured over it.

    Please not that you didn’t get a single up-vote from the readers. You’re too obvious.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Remember, I already disposed of these silly questions.

    You seem to think that repeating them makes them less silly than more so.

  • Jackblob

    LOL, you really have no argument at all to put forth. How do people like you and Kevin Zeese cling to the Bolivarian Revolution if you cannot defend it from some very basic questions?

    What is the poverty rate in Venezuela? If you have a number, please give the source and the year of the rate you quote.

  • Jackblob

    You did not dispose of anything. Saying, “Isn’t perverting the military a traditional way part that coup d’etats are done in Latin America?” is not an answer.

    Was the coup allegation against the three air force generals from one year ago real or a fabrication?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Gregory Wilpert should be married to an oil executive? An NED agent? Leopoldo Lopez’s mother?

    What’s your conflict of interest? You’re certainly not a disinterested observer. You’ve worked very hard at being a third-rate propagandist.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    I’m sorry. You yammer. I laugh at your absence of an argument in all that propaganda. Whoever trained you did it very badly. Tell the NED and get them sanctioned.

  • Jackblob

    You cower from a simple question on poverty in Venezuela? My goodness!

    Just so you know, I put Kevin Zeese to shame which is why he ran away from the debate. The same goes for you. You’re not used to being confronted by someone who knows his stuff, are you? It really shows. It makes me wonder just how little do you guys actually know about Venezuela.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Nobody cowers from a chickensheet like you. The only person you put to shame is yourself with your extremely bad “argument” and horrible “logic”. You certainly don’t know your stuff, while your mindlessly spew easily recognized right wing propaganda.

    Believe what you want to salve your own little ego, but you ought to note that the negative reaction to you is global.

    Bye. Since I know now that you’re harmless, you can have the less word. Since I already know what it is going to be, I’m not going to bother reading it.

  • Jackblob

    So now you speak for the world? That’s impressive.

    Does the UNHCR think negatively of me? The EU? Amnesty International? Shall I name more?

    Next time, do not try to debate someone far more knowledgeable than you. You embarrassed yourself here.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Ha, ha! To show you how harmless I think you are, here’s a reference for you to go and posture like you did with me:

    alternetDOTorg/world/2002-venezuelan-coup-media-conveniently-forgot

    To use just replace the DOT with a “.”.

  • Jackblob

    I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean.

    FYI: The Carter Center wrote a 100+ page report on the 2013 Presidential election documenting countless ways in which the government abused the electoral system and how the CNE ignored those abuses. The report is also critical of the TSJ for refusing to examine the opposition’s lengthy documentation of government electoral abuses and their request for a full audit. Instead, the TSJ fined Capriles for challenging the election results and recommended that he be put in prison. Needless to say, the Carter did not sanction Maduro’s so-called 2013 election victory. You can read the Carter Center report or you can do your usual and lambaste me as a propagandist for the CIA.

  • Jackblob

    Did you read any of the links I gave here and in the discussion with Kevin Zeese? Did you read the link to the University study on poverty?

    I asked you do look back one year ago at an alleged coup. Did you? You’re not going to know the truth if you don’t stop to question the thing Chavez and Maduro said. They blame America for everything, crime, inflation, shortages, etc. Aside from the complete lack of evidence, it just doesn’t make sense. Besides, the US has way bigger things to deal with than Venezuela.

    I asked you to look at the capability of the Super Tucano airplane and tell me if it is capable of doing what Maduro claims? Did you? The answer is, it can’t. Maduro lied. Venezuelanalysis repeated what Maduro said, that the plane originated in the US and that it could fly from the US to any location in Colombia. That too is a lie. Where is this so-called American pilot who was captured in Western Venezuela? Where are all the conspirators? All I see is one old man, Ledezma, taking the fall for a supposedly massive coup plot. How does any of that not make you doubt the veracity of the claim?

    Now you want me to look at a link from a website called AlertNet (really?) of an event 13 years old which I already acknowledged?

    Do you acknowledge the two coups of 1992? Do you think it is right that those coups should be celebrated?

    Here is one of the first things said in your article: “The failed coup in Venezuela was closely tied to senior officials in the US government, the Observer has established.” Established how? It does not say. Did the US know a coup was imminent? Of course. Most observers of Venezuela had a fairly good inkling it could happen. Did the US engineer or participate in the coup? I’m willing to be convinced but I need to see the evidence. Show it to me. Did the US recognize Carmona as the new president? Yes.

    Here is another thing said in the article: “I think there was U.S. involvement.” That’s not very convincing. Alleging US involvement because meetings took place is preposterous. Meetings with members of the opposition happen all the time in every country around the world.

    The article tries to downplay the many times Chavez and Maduro made accusations about coup/assassination plots but those accusations were leveled and what evidence came with those accusations? None. I asked you about the alleged 2013 coup involving the three air force generals and you refuse to give a straight answer on whether it was real or a fabrication. Not to worry, if Maduro were facing a reporter and was asked the same question, he would stammer for a while and then insult the reporter…just as you did to me.

    I asked you about poverty in Venezuela. Are you afraid to discuss it? What about shortages? Would you discuss shortages? Would you discuss the crime situation? What about the state of healthcare? Inflation? Would you discuss any of these things because these are the things that matter to the typical Venezuelan. They do not for one second think Venezuela should be preparing for an invasion.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You certainly work hard in the worse kind of way.

  • Jackblob

    I do not deny the 2002 coup took place. I do not deny that, for a time, Chavez reduced poverty and improve healthcare. In the last 2-3 years, however, Venezuela has been in a death spiral.

    You can attribute it to incompetent governance, corruption, price controls, a bizarre exchange system, falling productivity and unsustainable social programs as most of the world’s economists are saying or you can just blame America. Which makes more sense?

  • Jackblob

    So you refuse to read the Carter Center report?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    So you’ve read it? And it ate your brain? I hope it’s not starving.

    Why like an ideological dildo do you assume that everyone is stupid and ignorant enough for your to educate them?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Why aren’t you working as ferociously to attack Columbia suffering so much more severely that their people flee to Venezuela?

  • Jackblob

    Will you read the Carter Center report? Yes or no?

  • Jackblob

    Firstly, it’s Colombia, not Columbia. Ignoramus.

    Secondly, Who in Colombia is fleeing to Venezuela?

    You can attribute Venezuela’s problems to incompetent governance, corruption, price controls, a bizarre exchange system, falling productivity and unsustainable social programs as most of the world’s economists are saying or you can just blame America. Which makes more sense?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Something for you I just happened across. I doubt it lighten your impenetrable darkness anymore than the dozens of references on Venezuela I already have.

    informationclearinghouseDOTinfo/article41303.htm

  • Jackblob

    Can’t you answer a simple question? Will you read the Carter Center report? Yes or no?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    I was wondering if you knew how it was spelled. You don’t even know about all the fighting that has been taking place there or all the lethal assaults on the Unions and the working class there.

    So you want to attack Venezuela, rather than Colombia. You are a fraud.

  • Jackblob

    “I was wondering if you knew how it was spelled.” LOL, you are the dumbest schmuck on the planet.

    You can attribute Venezuela’s problems to incompetent governance, corruption, price controls, a bizarre exchange system, falling productivity and unsustainable social programs as most of the world’s economists are saying or you can just blame America. Which makes more sense?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Why does it make such a difference? Because you find the writers of the Carter Report so gullible that their credulity wins over everything else?

    Why are you so concerned about Venezuela instead of Columbia with a much worse human rights problem? You talk like a fraud with a hidden agenda.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Good way of winning an argument with a “dumbest schmuck of” the planet, high card characteristically in the hands of frauds.

    Don’t you realize that your description fits very neatly with the U.S. and what happens to every country it get the upper hand on?

    Your “hidden” agenda is clear to everyone. Doesn’t that make you kind of stupid?

  • Jackblob

    You’re going to evade till the the end of time. How cowardly.

    I knew from the outset that you were ignorant but it’s not until you said, “I was wondering if you knew how it was spelled” that it clicked. To put it kindly, you are just not very smart.

  • Jackblob

    1. Saying “I was wondering if you knew how it was spelled.” is truly dumb. A 3 year old wouldn’t be fooled by that line.

    2. You’ve proven over and over that you intend to evade until the cows come home. You constant refusal to answer straight forward questions is incredibly cowardly and proves that you are incapable of defending your glorious Bolivarian Revolution.

    Despite also failing to defend the Revolution, Kevin, at least, put up a slightly better effort.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You’re the chickensheet coward, my boy. You still haven’t answered why you’re so concerned about Venezuela rather than Columbia, which is in much worse shape because the murdering oligarchs beloved to you are fully in control.

    Listen, Mr. Chickenshett, why don’t you do the same for Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico and their governments compliant with the oligarch and the U.S. in conducting themselves like vampires upon the people?

    Thanks again for demonstrating how a small mistake on purpose has demonstrated the smallness of your mind. No wonder everyone thinks you’re a sphincter out of control, or a dangling bloated colestectomy!

    You are hilarious!

  • Jackblob

    You’re too dumb to know that you’ve been completely outclassed. You should get a 6-year old to explain it to you.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    So you admit to being three years old. Agreeing with your stupidity does not stupidity make.

    Who’s this Kevin? Someone else who see’s what a jerk-off you are?

  • Jackblob

    You really should quit while you’re behind or I might give you more to evade.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Again I haven’t seen you explain why are are so much for the glorious oligarchies of Colombia, Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico. Do you believe only in governments merciless toward the poor?

  • Jackblob

    I’ve not said anything about those countries. Venezuela is the topic of discussion and you are just trying to deflect the conversation.

    Anyway, I’m willing to let you off the hook. You’re clearly over-matched and should quit.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Can dumbo you explain why I haven’t seen you explain why are are so much for the glorious
    oligarchies of Colombia, Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico. Why do you believe
    only in governments merciless toward the poor?

    Did you love the Somozas when they were torturing Nicaragua? How do you think the Venezuela oligarchs trying to overthrow a popularly elected government is any better?

    Stand admitted a stupid fraud if you can explain why you condemn Venezuela and all these countries where the people’s suffering is much greater.

  • Jackblob

    You’re the one who first mentioned Kevin. Try to keep up with your own comments.

  • Jackblob

    Nobody is trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government unless you consider the words of José Mujica (ever heard of him?) who recently suggest a coup is more likely to come from within Chavismo.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    I thought this “Kevin” you yammered about and accused me of being was your boyfriend, that’s how little sense you travel on when you idiotically demand that I abandon thousand of pages already read to grab U.S. propaganda manufactured for clowns like you.

    You are weird.

  • Jackblob

    LOL, now you’re making homophobic jokes. Well done. You should be proud of that one.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Stand admitted a stupid fraud if you can explain why you condemn Venezuela and not all these countries where the people’s suffering is much greater.

    Mujica is a far greater president down in Uruguay than Penny Pritzker’s owned Obarf will ever be in America.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You are really stupid! You could be crowing about America’s stooge, Enriguo Pna Nieto, rather than someone who supports Maduro and has only contempt for stooges like you.

  • Jackblob

    Well, Mujica was president and he did say that the far greater threat to Maduro’s presidency is from withing Chavismo. There’s so much you don’t know. Why is that?

    FYI, I’m not American so your childish dig at Obama is meaningless.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You’re the one that called me, “Kevin.” It sounded like a term of endearment, not a homophobic one.

  • Jackblob

    Listen to Mujica.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Why? You are always there to humiliate yourself for my amusement.

    Why are you running from the fact that you’ve established yourself a fraud, by refusing to say why you don’t yammer about all these other countries where your oligarchs are immiserating that people so much more?

    Fraud!

  • Jackblob

    So, you’re also illiterate? Read the following:

    “Despite also failing to defend the Revolution, Kevin, at least, put up a slightly better effort.”

    Kevin refers to another person, not you, ignoramus.

  • Jackblob

    You should show our discussion to a grown-up and have them tell you who is being owned. You, apparently, are too dim.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Ha, look at the fraud wiggle! He doesn’t realize that his sentence doesn’t make any sense with the way he intentionally misinterprets it.

    It’s so hilarious when an admitted fraud like yourself calls others mentally deficient, ha, ha!

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Ha, ha, this yammering fraud doesn’t even realize yet that bringing Mujiica into the argument is bringing in someone who agrees that Venezuela is being menaced by the U.S. and its anti-democratic oligarch allies. You are lost!

  • Jackblob

    By the time you complete high school, you’ll realize that I’m right.

    Here’s a tidbit for you: Malaria, which was once considered eradicated in Venezuela, is now at it’s highest level in all of recorded history. Hooray, another success for the Bolivarian Revolution.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Lying again! He meant the subversive forces you cheer for, you oligarch dildo.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    No, you listen. You also listen to the presdients of Brazil, Argentina, and Bolivia. They all see through clowns like you everyday, you self-admitted fraud.

  • Jackblob

    Despite that, as an outgoing president, he says the biggest threat to Maduro comes from withing Chavismo. What was he thinking. A lot of former LatAm leaders have been critical of the Maduro government.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    ha, ha, the fraud accuses me down to the level of education that would me him feel superior.

    Hey fraud, tell us for the FIRST why you prefer attacking Venezuela rather than the governments where the oligarchs are furiously immiserating the people.

  • Jackblob

    I’ve never met Dilma so I don’t know what she thinks of me. Should you be speaking on her behalf? She’s is quite a mess, isn’t she?

  • Jackblob

    Where are you from?

  • Jackblob

    No comment of the Malaria problem in Venezuela?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    When you learn your English better, you will understand what it means to be like someone.

    Again, you show yourself an utter fraud. You still haven’t explained why you attack Venezuela than all those countries where the people are suffering much more…

    Fraud!

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Where are you from, fraud?

  • Jackblob

    I have nothing to say about those countries. The article is about Venezuela. I have family and friends living there. I’m concerned for their welfare.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Ha, so why don’t you tell us why the health situation is so bad in Venezuela relative to Columbia that you, a fraud, finds reason in it to attack Venezuela rather than Columbia?

  • Jackblob

    Canada. Are you going to rip into Canada now?

  • Jackblob

    I explained my motivation below.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Bull! You just a fraud wanting to overthrow a democratically elected government doing much better than those subservient to the vampire oligarchs and the U.S. capitalists.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Oh, so you’re one of the vampire oligarchs hating a government that keeps you from enriching your kind further at the suffering of the people.

    No wonder you’re such a fraud.

  • Jackblob

    Does it make you feel better to think I’m some Right Wing American Fascist looking to get his hands on Venezuela’s oil? LOL.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Not my fault that the U.S. subversives are working through Canada, something very widely known.

    Before you were claiming to be from Venezuela, so now we’re back to the fact that you’re a fraud attacking Venezuela over all these other Latin countries where the common people, 99% of the population, are much worse.

  • Jackblob

    You are the one who evaded question after question. I am the one willing to debate the issues of concern in Venezuela. That makes you the fraud.

    Let’s discuss poverty. Okay?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    No, I think you’re just a stupid tool way out of his depth.

  • Jackblob

    When did I claim to be from Venezuela? Show me the quote.

  • Jackblob

    Says the person who spent most of his time evading questions.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Okay, so why are you concerned about the poverty in Venezuela, rather than all those others countries where the oligarchs enforce much more sever poverty on the people? Or are you too much an evasive fraud to answer that?

  • Jackblob

    All those other countries are doing a much better job than Venezuela in fighting poverty.

    Let’s discuss poverty in Venezuela. You go first.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Says the person who still hasn’t answered why he’s not attacking those countries where the poverty is much greater.

    Do you see kids fleeing Venezuela like they’re fleeing Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico to cross over the zone of heartless monsters guarding the U.S. border?

    Come on, fraud, answer where it counts.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Liar! Outright liar!

    But why shouldn’t we expect of an utter fraud working from Canada to destabilize Venezuela and lying about his reason?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You said you had family there, but that turned out to be misdirection, right?

  • Jackblob

    Poverty in Venezuela is greater but I didn’t expect you to know that. Just because I provided a provided a link to a study on poverty and told you to read it doesn’t mean you actually bothered.

    Whole families are fleeing Venezuela but I didn’t expect you to know that either. You know so little.

  • Jackblob

    Which of those countries has a poverty rate higher that 48.4%?

  • Jackblob

    Yes, I have family there. I’m not from Venezuela, however. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Shameless liar, but at least you know what to do when you’re trapped.

  • Jackblob

    So you know the poverty rate in Venezuela? What is it?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    No. So you admit that you’re an anti-democratic oligarch who will tell any lie to clear the Chavista out of the way for your kind to assume their extractive role over the rest of the people. Now the silly way that you’ve been “arguing” is beginning to make sense.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You’re the one that made that silly claim. You come up with the numbers for all those countries, or just stand again and admitted fraud.

  • Jackblob

    Actually, I’m a Canadian who has always supported my country’s left which politically is either the Liberal Party or the New Democratic Party (NDP).

  • Jackblob

    You called me a liar. Prove me wrong.

    I’m on record saying the poverty rate in Venezuela is 48.4%. Read the study I referenced for yourself. It’s in Spanish, though.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    So now you go running in retreat to numbers whose meaning you will interpret in contradiction of all other evidence?

    If you were honest, you would have numbers already with a firm case for being less concerned by countries being racked by murder by the oligarchs.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You certainly are a liar. You number is meaningless without comparison to others. You have no case for your participation in the ongoing attack against a popularly elected democracy.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    That’s just more of your bullshit, unverifiable, delivered only to buttress you invisible arguments.

  • Jackblob

    Be my guest and read the study that produced that number. The link is posted in the thread where Kevin Zeese (not you) and I had a discussion.

    Should we discuss murders in Venezuela too?

  • Jackblob

    And there you go again, willfully keeping yourself ignorant. You don’t want to read the study because it’s contrary to what you want to believe.

  • Jackblob

    As far as a popularly elected government goes, I offered you the opportunity to read the Carter Center report on Maduro’s so-called 1% margin of victory. You refused. Ignorance is your preference. Maduro’s popularity today is around 20%.

  • Jackblob

    Trudeau is the Liberal leader. Mulcair is the NDP leader. The Prime Minister is Stephen Harper of the Progressive Conservative party. There will be an election this year an I expect a Liberal-NDP coalition to take over.

    No? All LIES?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Without context, feel free to lie away. That’s why you been doing all along, constructing specious arguments for the credulous.

    Actually, Zeese and you didn’t have a discussion. He saw right away that you were an adamant fraud and propagandist and let you yammer away.

    I just had a little time to enjoy myself watching you go. You seem to have to grasp of logic, other than enough to understand when obfuscation is necessary and how to present half arguments in a vain attempt to fool others into believing you. You are always taking things out of context in the hope that the disconnected numbers you pour out will have some shock value.

    Then suddenly murders in Venezuela! Again totally out of context and ignoring the fact that most of them are accomplished by right wing thugs in violent demonstrations that would earn them a massacre in Ferguson, Missouri, or Ottawa, Canada.

    Thanks! But I’m done laughing tonight.

    Bye, bye.

  • Jackblob

    Do you have data for your claim that Right wing thug demonstrators are causing most of the murders in Venezuela?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Do you have data contradicting that? Anything that isn’t a disembodied number proving nothing?

    I note that you don’t deny that right wing thug demonstrators are doing a lot murdering in Venezuela.

  • Jackblob

    Well, it’s normal that when people make claims, they back them up instead of asking others do disprove their claim.

    Let’s look at it. You say the majority of murders in Venezuela are caused by right wing protesting thugs. As far as I know, there were 43 deaths attributed to last year’s protests. Some of those deaths were ruled accidental. A handful are being investigated and the rest we don’t know. For argument sake, let’s say all 43 were murders committed by anti-government thugs as you claim.

    There were nearly 25,000 murders in Venezuela last year. That’s considerably more than the 4,550 murders committed in 1999, the year Chavez took office.

    Are you telling me that the majority of those 25,000 murders were committed by right wing thug protesters? You have to show me the data. Unlike you, I’m willing to read thing that support a pro-government agenda. My being here is proof of that.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    That sounds like you’re willing to do a lot of manipulation to smear a democratic regime that doesn’t serve the oligarchs the wealth of the nation. How come you don’t compare that “data” with those for the U.S. oligarch playground of Colombia?

    How come you don’t show those murder figures have anything to do with the Chavistas, but merely throw them up to hope they stick like mud instead of logic? How come you omit figures from the right wing promotion of crime?

    You’ve also admitted to 43 political murders by right wingers, which were totally unnecessary for a democratic opposition and establishes their nefarious intent. How many more are there you don’t admit to?

    Like a true fraud, you fall into every trap I set for you.

    You are a professional disinformation agent looking to confuse the gullible and uneducated.

    To me you are funny.

  • Jackblob

    Many of you clowns like to quote the following which was originally written by Mark Wesibrot for the propagandumentary, “South of the Border”, as proof that the US was involved in the 2002 coup:

    “NED (the National Endowment for Democracy), Department of Defense (DOD), and other U.S. assistance programs provided training, institution building and other support to individuals and organizations understood to be actively involved in the brief ouster of the Chavez government.”

    What you don’t know is that Weisbrot was doing an amazingly deceitful job of cherry-picking. The full quote is this:

    “The Office of the Inspector General found nothing to indicate that U.S. assistance programs to Venezuela, including those funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), were inconsistent with U.S. law or policy. While it is clear that NED, Department of Defense (DOD), and other U.S. assistance programs provided training, institution building and other support to individuals and organizations understood to be actively involved in the brief ouster of the Chavez government, we found no evidence that this support directly contributed, or was intended to contribute, to that event.”

    Do you see what Weisbrot is saying? No? Here’s an example of what he is saying: If I taught you a course in economics and one year later you rob a bank, I provided training and support for someone who robbed a bank. Do you now see the disingenuous rubbish Weisbrot came up with?

    From the same document Weisbrot misquoted, the following question is asked:

    “Did opponents of the Chávez government, if any, who met with embassy or Department officials request or seek the support of the U.S. government for actions aimed at removing or undermining that government? If so, what was the response of embassy or Department officials to such requests? How were any such responses conveyed, orally or in writing?”

    Taking the question to be whether, in any such meetings, Chávez opponents sought help from the embassy or the Department for removing or undermining the Chávez government through undemocratic or unconstitutional means, the answer is no.

    You are all regurgitating Weisbrot’s lie when you claim to have proof of US involvement in the 2002 coup.

  • Jackblob

    You said, “You’ve also admitted to 43 political murders by right wingers.”

    Once again you demonstrate your inability to read English. Reread my original statement. It is prefaced with the words, “For argument sake”. Apparently you not understand what that means. It’s basic English. How do you not understand basic English?

    You said, “most of them (murders) are accomplished by right wing thugs in violent demonstrations.”

    I asked you for the data and you said nothing. I am asking you again to substantiate that claim? If you’re not making it up, show your source.

    At the top of this comment section is another goodie for you. It shows that your belief that the US was involved in the 2002 coup is based on a Mark Weisbrot lie.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    “As far as I know, there were 43 deaths attributed to last year’s protests.”

    You’ve provided no data either, just numbers without connections.

    Only idiots believe that the U.S. with its long history of coups against democracies wasn’t involved in this one either.

  • Jackblob

    You said, “most of them (murders) are accomplished by right wing thugs in violent demonstrations.”

    I asked you for the data and you said nothing. I asked you again and you said nothing. I’m asking you for the third time to substantiate that claim? If you’re not making it up, show your source.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Your denseness is amazing, the property of a true ideologue. To anyone else it would be clear that I fed you back some of the bullshit you spew to get you to expose yourself further.

    You still haven’t justified the attack on Venezuela, whi9le ignoring all these other countries I’ve listed, where the government is truly savage. Why? Who are you working for?

  • kevinzeese

    Wow – Denying US involvement in coup attempts in Venezuela. There is so much written on this that it is hard to believe anyone could keep a straight face denying it. See e.g. a few examples among many:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela
    http://williamblum.org/chapters/freeing-the-world-to-death/us-coup-against-hugo-chavez-of-venezuela-2002
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-coup-and-countercoup-revolution/18618
    (There is so much more on this, readers should google it for themselves.)

    IUS efforts to undermine the Venezuelan government continue. It is like a constant coup. The budget of NED spends over $1 million annually in Venezuela to undermine the government, see http://creativetimereports.org/2014/12/02/william-powhida-why-do-we-expect-artists-to-work-for-free/.

    Here’s a 2006 State Department Cable describing how the US government is spending millions to undermine the Chavez government and describes their 5 point strategy to weaken, divide and isolate his government. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06CARACAS3356_a.html. There are multiple State Department cables describing US involvement in destabilization activities.

    USAID, known for its long history of destabilizing governments and working with the CIA is spending tens of millions in Venezuela to help foment revolt, see http://www.foreignassistance.gov/web/Agency_USAID.aspx?budTab=tab_Bud_Impl

    Here is a detailed analysis of how the US has been trying to circumvent the Venezuelan government since Chavez came to power. It was written by former CIA officer turned journalist Phillip Agee. He provides the details of how the US works in Venezuela http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/1347. If you want to understand the US method of operation in Venezuela (and many countries) this is a useful analysis.

    As he describes it not only was the US and the groups it funds in Venezuela involved in the 2002 coup, but every destabilization effort that has occurred:

    “Venezuelan associates of the U.S. intervention programs participated in the unsuccessful coup against President Chavez in April 2002, in the petroleum lockout/strike of December 2002 to February 2003, and in the recall referendum of August 2004. Having failed in their three first attempts, the U.S. agencies mentioned above are currently planning and organizing for the Venezuelan national elections of 2005 and 2006. This analysis seeks to show how this program functions and the danger it represents.”

    These efforts are ongoing and continuous. The reason Venezuela is a national security threat is because it refuses to succumb to US domination and has become a leader of a Latin American insurgency against historic US domination which is why the region has rallied behind Venezuela in the current attack by President Obama.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Very nice! Certainly much better than anything of mine here. But as you’ve said before, all effort is wasted on a committed ideological propagandist like the Blob. I guess you caught his claim that he’s from Canada and has relatives in Venezuela.

  • Jackblob

    TecumsehUnfaced – Here’s the difference between you and I. I want to read everything available even if it’s from Gregory Wilpert (Venezuelanalysis, Telesur), Eva Golinger and Mark Weisbrot. I read from news media throughout the world. I read blogs from Venezuelan citizens. I want to know anything my family in Venezuela can tell me. I want to know what all these people and websites have to say. If you gave me a link to murders committed by right wing thug protesters, I will look at it. I’ve asked you for a link several times but you refuse. If you gave me a link to poverty rates or crime rates or whatever, I would read it. And yes, I did read the Carter Center report on the 2013 presidential election. And yes, I read the entire State Department study from which Mark Weisbrot misleadingly cherry-picked.

    You, on the other hand, refuse to look and any links I provide. I ask you to inquire into the alleged coup of one year ago and you refuse. I ask you to investigate the capability of the Super Tucano aircraft and you refuse. I tell you to read the Carter Center report but I think you will not. You make outlandish claims and when called upon, refuse to provide substantiation.

    Knowledge is what I seek and possess. As the adage states, knowledge is empowering. The more knowledge you acquire, the more easily you can differentiate between truth and fiction. I can anticipate most Chavista arguments because I’ve already read them elsewhere. Of course, it’s impossible to anticipate being told that most of the murders in Venezuela are committed by right wing thug protesters because no half-intelligent Chavistas would ever make such a preposterous claim.

  • Jackblob

    All based on deceitful misinformation just like the often quoted words of Mark Weisbrot.

    Providing support to people actively involved in a coup can mean anything. My example of the economics teacher would qualify.

    You say,”These efforts are ongoing and continuous.” but you have zero evidence.

    Do you really think the US is going to invade any month now as Maduro is claiming?

  • Jackblob

    Have you, Kevin, read the Carter Center report on the 2013 presidential election?

  • Jackblob

    So then it’s safe to say your claim that most murders in Venezuela are perpetrated by right wing thug protesters is a BS claim.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    This just shows how stupid you are. I read a whole range of things too, but without succumbing to propaganda for the mindless like you and demanding that others have equal credulity as yourself.

    You’re really stuck on that one piece of U.S. government propaganda, the Carter Report, all 100 pages of it, no wonder you are unable to give a coherent argument from all the other information available. No wonder you insist on ignoring previous history of U.S. and oligarch conspiracy and misrule in Latin America. No wonder you spew meaningless numbers without coherency.

    You are a fraud.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Precisely equivalent in veracity and weight to all the stuff that you’ve been spewing.

  • Jackblob

    Your English comprehension skills are severely lacking.

    I can backup any claim I’ve made. Can you?

  • Jackblob

    The Carter Center report is government propaganda? LOL. Again you show your ignorance. The Carter Center has nothing to do with government. Secondly, the Carter Center has been monitoring elections in Venezuela for years. Chavez held up the Carter Center reports proudly when it sanctioned his election victories. Now that the Carter Center refuses to give its sanction, you call it government propaganda? You ignorance holds no bounds.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Who finances the Carter Center?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    I haven’t seen you do more than do fakes.

  • Jackblob

    The same people who financed the Carter Center when it sanctioned Chavez’s election victories.

  • Jackblob

    So you say but we both know that’s a lie. We are like two people in an elevator. When one farts, we both know who. You tell lies and refuse to back them up. I provide data and links. If I didn’t, all you have to do is ask.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Really? You believe that organizations remain unchanged and unpressured without change? No wonder for working for the right wing regime change.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Wrong, I’ve seen you use occasional bits of truth to facilitate the greater lie.

    You seek to “win” by floods of yammer.

  • Jackblob

    As long as the Carter Center sanctions a Venezuelan election, you’re okay with whomever funds them. Now that you know the Center did not sanction Maduro’s election, you call them dirty. LOL.

    The Center is a 501 (c) (3) charitable organization, financed by private donations from individuals, foundations, corporations, and international development assistance agencies. Contributions by U.S. citizens and companies are tax-deductible as allowed by law.

    It’s been that way since the Center was founded.

    You will keep the sanctions of previous elections and reject the refusal to sanction the Maduro election. How fickle.

  • Jackblob

    I’d be glad to address anything I’ve said which you consider a lie.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You put a lot of words into other people’s mouths and assumptions in order to smooth your propagandizing over all objections.

    “The Center is a 501 (c) (3) charitable organization, financed by private
    donations from individuals, foundations, corporations, and
    international development assistance agencies” – doesn’t that tell you precisely what I was warning you of. Such an organization can be quickly taken over by a surge of corrupt money, all of it easily and deeply hidden. You need to do a better job bullshitting people.

    You still have explained why are are so fanatically anxious to take the elected government of Venezuela. How are you and your friends planning to siphon off the oil wealth?

  • Jackblob

    Is there something wrong with being from Canada and having relatives in Venezuela?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    In all that floods of yammer that you constructed and I didn’t?

    You’ve never given a winning presentation in your life, where the victory wasn’t rigged.

  • Jackblob

    I’m sorry that you think the Carter Center is a propaganda arm of the US government. Chavez didn’t. How did you determine that?

    You said, “You still have explained why are are so fanatically anxious to take the elected government of Venezuela. How are you and your friends planning to siphon off the oil wealth?”

    That’s another fine example of the fantasy world you live in. You make things up.

  • Jackblob

    Try to be specific? Did I lie about poverty? Did I lie about the Carter Center report? Did I lie about crime?

    Quote anything I said which you believe to be a lie and I will see what I can do.

    Will you tell me where you got your information that most murders in Venezuela are caused by right wing thug protesters?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You see to think so, or else you would ignore it. Why haven’t you?

  • Jackblob

    You are the one who brought it up in a doubting manner. I find it to be rather innocuous information.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You’ve tried to make Venezuela a special case deserving of ferocious attack by others and yourself without establish any coherent case for it. You ignore all there cases suffering from vampire regimes with people dieing all over the place and fleeing. Instead you and the other righties focus on the oil and are dishonest about it. That makes all the rest of your clowning suspicious.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Did you read my last comment? Or did you pull your “repsonse” out of your ideologically correct Rolodex.?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Then why didn’t you ignore it?

  • Jackblob

    I don’t get you. You call me a liar. I offer to accommodate you by addressing any specific thing I’ve said which you believe to be a lie and you won’t. I’m trying but you make no sense.

    I would still like to know where you got your information that most murders in Venezuela are caused by right wing thug protesters? How many times have I asked, five or six times? Is it a secret?

  • Jackblob

    In that comment, you said, “You still have explained why are are so fanatically anxious to take the elected government of Venezuela. How are you and your friends planning to siphon off the oil wealth?”

    Didn’t you you pull that out of your ideologically incorrect Rolodex?

  • Jackblob

    I am curious why it is an issue for you. Why?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Re-read, with a gear of your mind engaged.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    “You still haven’t explained why are are so fanatically anxious
    to take the elected government of Venezuela. How are you and your
    friends planning to siphon off the oil wealth?”

    I apologize your making a simple mistake that you were unable to get past.

    Feel better now?

  • Jackblob

    Why do you respond with derision when I’m trying to be accommodating?

    I would still like to know where you got your information that most murders in Venezuela are caused by right wing thug protesters?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    It was just to show what kind of mind you have. Thanks.

  • Jackblob

    Again, I think you might be running into English comprehension issues. Is English not your first language?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    How many times do you have to re-read to get the obvious?

  • Jackblob

    And what does it show you Dr. Freud?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Wow! that’s from is like a self-declaration of stupidity. Well done!

  • Jackblob

    I would still like to know where you got your information that most murders in Venezuela are caused by right wing thug protesters? Is that too much to ask?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Who’s Dr. Freud? Your Teddy Bear?

  • Jackblob

    So you say.

    I would still like to know where you got your information that most murders in Venezuela are caused by right wing thug protesters?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Yes, when the question has already been answered to all but the most dense.

  • Jackblob

    I guess you think you’re being clever. Suit yourself.

  • Jackblob

    Did you provide a link?

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You’re betraying the quality of your mind.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Why don’t you look at some of the ones that Zeese provided you? Too much of an ideologue with a fabricated agenda to sell, eh?

  • Jackblob

    We both know I caught you in a lie. It’s like the elevator story.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Easy with a dullard like you trying to peddle a fake agenda crying for attack on Venezuela instead of all these other places with more repressive and deadlier governments.

  • Jackblob

    You only offer derision. You offer no substance. You do not backup your claims. You call me a liar but refuse to point out my lies.

    Yeah, I’m the dullard.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    No, you didn’t. I told you right off that I fed it to you as the same kind of stuff that you were dishing out. I caught you spewing a flood of lies, and you were too dense to get it. You also were too dense to understand that I used that to trap you into admitting the lethal nature of right wing insurrectionists. I even told you that directly and you couldn’t catch it. Your fault, not mine.

    Why do you approve of lethal right wing rioting in Venezuela but not in Canada?

  • Jackblob

    Yes, that’s right. You used the claim as a device to mess with me. LOL. Who do you think your fooling? It’s just the two of us in the elevator and you are farting up a storm.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    You’ve only demanded that others read 100 pages of propaganda.

    You’ve presented nothing believable by past history. You’ve slandered Venezuela without showing them more deserving than all the harsh right wing governments you adore.

    You given a horrendous presentation of obvious propaganda.

    So I’m forced to agree with you that you are a dullard.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    I think I’m fooling a clown who has been recognized without him being aware of it.

    You’re the one who started off with a storm of farts with an obvious intent of conquest.

  • kevinzeese

    If people want to understand what happened in Venezuela in 2002, including the US role, an excellent documentary movie is John Pilger’s The War On Democracy. It not only covers the coup in Venezuela but other US aided coup’s in Latin America. It has lots of documentation including an interview with a CIA official who justifies it all because it was in the US national interest.

  • Jackblob

    Well, I can only show you the truth. If you choose to ignore it, that’s your choice.

    When you have the time, you should read the State Department study from which Mark Weisbrot misquoted. Many have relied on Weisbrot’s quoting of the study as an admission that the US was involved in the coup yet none of you have actually read it.

  • Jackblob

    So now all you have left is derision. I asked you to point out any specific lies you believe I wrote and you cowered. I asked you to prove your claim and you cowered. The general theme:You’re trying to cover up your cowardice, your lack of knowledge and your lies with derision. How infantile.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Thanks. That’s a very good reference.

    I’ve got this reference and nearly another sixty either fully copied or merely reference.

    I don’t bother offering such things to such ideologues with an agenda such as the Blob. They always sneer at other sources not coherent with the peculiar representation of the situation they have ready made for me.

    I just want to see how they think and how clever they are.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Why should you be unhappy with getting that you have worked hard to get?

    Your accusations birthed by your frustrations are hilarious.

  • Jackblob

    Seen it. I’ve already seen everything you can come up with and so much more. I was not kidding when it said I look for as many sources as I can.

    In our other discussion, I pointed out to you so many things you knew nothing about.

    Did you read the entire State Dept study Weisbrot quoted? If you did, you must know that he used deceptive and cherry-picked quotes to make his case that the US was involved in the 2002 coup. My comment above shows how Weisbrot lied.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Then you better work on showing truth. So far you only provoke incredulity and hilarity.

  • Jackblob

    Your only weapon: Derision.

  • Jackblob

    More derision.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Give something other than a Blob of blullbleep.

    Other don’t complain.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    More Blobby bullbleep.

  • Jackblob

    Derision is not how one converses intelligently. If you insist on behaving like a chiild, what’s the point?

  • Jackblob

    Congratulations. You’ve regresses to the intellectual capacity of a toddler.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Let do a test:

    voltairenetDOTorg/article183856.html

    To use replace “Dot” with “.”.

    We’ll see if it closes your neural tube.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Why do ersatz propagandists deserve more than derision?

    Your flooding of farts is now how one converses intelligently, even when one is a Jack of Blob.

  • Jackblob

    Here’s something else none of you knew. Chavez did not take the oil industry away from American hands and he did not nationalize the oil industry. I know Mark Weisbrot and propagandists like him want you to believe that but it’s just another of the many lies from his fraudumentary, “South of the Border”.

    It’s amazing how ideology can rewrite history.

  • Jackblob

    Today Maduro had citizens of Caracas practicing air raid drills. LOL.

  • Kapricorn4

    The US might be better off if they considered the human rights violations in Colombia, Mexico, Haiti, Honduras and Saudi Arabia, where they support fascist dictators and death squads, before their policy of undermining the socialist government in Venezuela. It is gross hypocrisy to say the least, when the real policy is designed to halt the use of state assets to support all citizens rather than just a favored few. The US is really worried that its own population will realize that socialism works for universal betterment, than for the select few oligarchs, who control Congress with bribes that we euphemistically called campaign contributions.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Hey, Blob, remember Manuel Zelaya? Fernando Lugo? Their kind is the kind your kind love to destroy. How dare these politicians get in the way of the right of Big Money to extract a people’s and a country’s wealth!

  • Jackblob

    Who exactly holds the power in Venezuela?

    <<>>

    So, who is running Venezuela, the government or the military?

    Feel free to read the full source at Bloomberg’s website in an article entitled “Black Market Bullets Are Killing Venezuelans” which you not bother to read but still declare as propaganda.

  • Pingback: Newsletter: Praise For The Radicals | PopularResistance.Org()

  • Jackblob

    The following article is copied from The National Post (A Canadian newspaper). If you want to read the article for yourself, just Google the first half of the title:

    “Kidnap and murder on the bloody streets of Caracas: ‘If the families don’t pay up, we eliminate that person’”

    Caracas, Venezuela — Jorge Gonzalez’s specialty is kidnapping.

    The gang he leads gives a victim’s family and friends only 72 hours to come up with the ransom. If they do not or cannot pay, the victim is murdered.

    “It’s not the best way to earn a living, but it is the easiest,” said Gonzalez, who for obvious reasons would not give his real name. “If the families don’t pay up, we eliminate that person,”

    I asked Gonzalez how he justified killing people he did not know and who had never done him harm.

    “It is not if this is right or wrong. I don’t give a shit about that,” he said, his voice devoid of emotion. “They’ve seen our faces so we can’t afford to let them go.”

    He also wanted me to know “a lot have died on our side, too.”

    I arranged to have meet Gonzalez at his hideout in a Caracas slum. But an old friend, now posted to Venezuela as a diplomat, urged me to call off the rendezvous or meet in a public place so I would not be kidnapped, too. Caracas has been dubbed “the kidnap capital of the world,” with about five kidnappings a day.

    Against my expectations, Gonzalez agreed to meet on neutral turf.

    Without a trace of irony, he suggested a downtown park across the street from the jail where police keep their most dangerous prisoners awaiting trial.

    A diminutive, slightly paunchy man with bronze skin, Gonzalez showed up on time. He was wearing faded blue jeans, a threadbare baseball cap and a bulky sweatshirt that only partially obscured the sidearm he was clearly packing.

    Throughout the 20 minutes we sat beside each other on a concrete bench, he never once made direct eye contact as he nervously surveyed our surroundings, looking for potentially deadly threats.

    Gonzalez began by explaining “the market.” He targeted Venezuela’s middle classes, rather than the rich. Going after the rich invited additional police scrutiny or, worse heavily armed private guards driving armoured vehicles. For the same reasons and because they seldom had Venezuelan bank accounts that could be quickly emptied, it did not make economic sense to kidnap foreigners.

    There was also the likely complication that “when a foreign government gets involved, the police here really start asking questions,” he said.

    Before deciding whether to kidnap someone, gang members followed their movements closely for about a month to understand how and where they lived, worked and played. This was not only to figure out the best time and place to grab them, but also to find out whether their kin were likely to be able to cough up a ransom of 100,000 to 200,000 bolivars (about US$300 to US$600 on the black market, US$16,000 to $32,000 at the official exchange rate).

    This may not seem like much money in return for a human life, but it illustrates the wretchedness of Venezuela’s economic situation. The country depends on oil for 95% of its foreign exchange and has been sent reeling by the catastrophic drop in oil prices.

    Canada’s Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade warns travellers to Venezuela to exercise “a high degree of caution due to the significant level of serious crime, such as murder, kidnapping and armed robbery.” Hotels strongly advise guests to take a taxi, even if only going one or two blocks away during broad daylight.

    There were 90 murders in the Venezuelan capital during the first six days of January and 5,200 murders last year.

    That translates into an astonishing Baghdad-like homicide rate of 134 per 100,000 inhabitants in 2014. Among those killed were 132 cops.

    A damning report by the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security concluded Venezuela is “the most weaponized place in the world,” with one gun for every two people. There were as many as 50 carjackings every day in Caracas.

    It attributed “the country’s pervasive criminality [to a] poorly paid, poorly trained, under-equipped and often corrupt police force; an inefficient and politicized judicial system; a system of violent and largely overcrowded prisons that are under the control of prison gang leaders; and countrywide availability of millions of illegal weapons.”

    None of this was news to Gonzalez, of course.

    “We have lots of contact with the police,” he said. “They tip us off if anything is going wrong. We pay for that and give them a cut to stay quiet.”

    Gonzalez said he had been “raised rough,” especially after his father was murdered in a gangland dispute. The son began his own life of crime when he was 14, served time in prison and had been “dedicated to the life for 20 years now.”

    He made it clear he was no Robin Hood. The only ones who benefited from his ruthless line of work were his wife and their young children.

    “I feel nothing in particular for my neighbours, but I respect them because I know that they have hard lives” was the closest Gonzalez came to saying anything sentimental.

    It was far too late, he said, for him to abandon kidnapping, particularly when Venezuela’s economic future was so grim.

    Before getting up and ambling away without a backward glance, the unrepentant coldblooded kidnapper and murderer concluded the interview by sharing his view, “This country is screwed and it’s not going to get better.”

    Postmedia News

  • Jackblob

    While the vast majority of murders and kidnappings go unsolved, if you say something on Twitter the government doesn’t like, they’ll come after you.

    Last October, a 55-year old housewife Maria Magaly Contreras was arrested for sending anti-government tweets to her 700 followers. She was charged with instigation and intimidation because, as the Public Ministry states, her tweets “generated unrest among the people”. Contreras is being held at SEBIN’s El Helicoide headquarters along with five other people arrested for their Twitter activities.

    That’s the Maduro government for you. Commit a murder and they don’t care. Kidnap someone and they don’t care. But, when a 55-year old housewife sends out negative tweets, that is intolerable.

    Google “Maria Magaly Contreras SEBIN” to read the story for yourself.

    ————————————

    Yeah, yeah, TecumsehUnfaced. I know. More propaganda, right?

  • Jackblob

    I wonder if any of you drones have the fortitude to read what Amnesty International has to say about Venezuela?

    www (dot)amnesty(dot)org/en/documents/AMR53/1239/2015/es/

    The documentation can be downloaded in English.

  • Jackblob

    Some very high profile people are taking up Leopoldo Lopez’s case.

    Former Spanish President Felipe González, a socialist, is joining Lopez’s defense team.

    Also joining the defense team is well known human rights lawyer Irwin Cotler from Canada, a long time sitting Parliamentarian of the Canadian Liberal party and onetime council to Nelson Mandela. When Cotler was named to Lopez’s defense team approx one month ago, Telesur ran an article claiming to quote someone from South Africa saying Cotler never was a lawyer for Mandela. That, of course, was another boldfaced lie, one of many found on Telesur.

    Why are these high profile lawyers needed? Because local lawyers who have taken up the defense of political prisoners have found themselves harassed, persecuted, and imprisoned.

  • kevinzeese

    Unfortunately both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch cannot be trusted on Venezuela. Here are some examples dating back to 2010.

    http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5938

    http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/democracy-double-standards/

    http://citizenspress.org/leftnews/amnesty-international-opposes-venezuelans-defending-their-human-rights

    Human Rights is the worse of the two, but that is because they say more.

  • Jackblob

    LOL, you keep believing that, Kevin.

    Next, you’ll tell me that the UNHCR is not to be trusted, that the EU parliament is not to be trusted, etc.

  • kevinzeese

    You have a lot more confidence in the powers that be and their traditional mouthpieces than most of us on this website do. We actually see them lying most of the time!

    For example, you point out a Socialist leader in Spain and a Liberal leader in Canada are defending some of the accused in Venezuela. These are discredited parties, much like the Democrats in the US. The popular movement in Spain has started a new party, Podemos, that is threatening the Socialists because they brought neoliberalism and austerity to Spain. The Liberal Party in Canada has been out of power for years because they left with corruption and now have ineffective leadership. But, big deal, everyone deserves a legal defense. It does not mean that they support their coup attempts!

  • kevinzeese

    you point out a Socialist leader in Spain and a Liberal leader in Canada are defending some of the accused in Venezuela. These are discredited parties, much like the Democrats in the US. The popular movement in Spain has started a new party, Podemos, that is threatening the Socialists because they brought neoliberalism and austerity to Spain. The Liberal Party in Canada has been out of power for years because they left with corruption and now have ineffective leadership. But, big deal, everyone deserves a legal defense. It does not mean that they support their coup attempts!

  • Jackblob

    How easily you cast the stone of discredit.

    Nelson Mandela did not have any issues with Cotler whose reputation is stellar. Telesur lied about Cotler.

    You know nothing about González but you dump on him.

    Have you seen what a mess Podemos created for themselves?

  • Jackblob

    I answered you below. Your attempt to sully Cotler and González is weak.

  • Jackblob

    Nothing to say about the UNHCR, the EU parliament?

  • Jackblob

    Who are these ineffective leaders in the Liberal party?

  • Jackblob

    I’m amazed that you not see the obvious attempt to deceive in the Venezuelanalyasis article. Tell me you are not so easily deceived? It’s as obvious as Mark Weisbrot’s deception in his fraudumentary, “South of the Border” (see below).

    Maduro is running air raid drills. LOL.

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Thanks! This was an article I didn’t have. Kind of funny the way blobhead insists his collection of propaganda is somehow better than what everybody else learns direct about Venzuela and indirectly about hitory.

  • epazote

    I wonder if he’s part of the Venezuelan exile hipsters that swarmed Whistler resort in BC this winter

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    That was something else I missed, that swarming.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised. Here’s something I didn’t tell the Blob: my father’s first cousin married into a very rich Colombian family, so I have some familiarity already with the kind of attitudes people of such groups carry. As kids they’re pretty much okay, but around age 14 they think progressively that they’re better than you.

    Blob seems to carry that along with too high an opinion about Leopoldo Lopez. He seems to be unaware that there’s lots of information on Leopoldo on the Internet, and about his cousin, Thor Halvorssen.

    http://electronicintifadaDOTnet/content/oslo-freedom-forum-founders-ties-islamophobes-who-inspired-mass-killer-anders-breivik/12451

    (Replace the “DOT” with “.” to regenerate the reference.)

  • epazote

    More on Leonardo Lopez by Max Blumenthal
    http://www.alternet(DOT)org/world/meet-venezuelas-opposition-leader

  • TecumsehUnfaced

    Good article.

    I just got ambushed with this:

    http://www.telegraphDOTcoDOTuk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/9993238/Venezuela-the-wealth-of-Chavez-family-exposedDOThtml

    on
    mintpressnewsDOTcom/why-we-hate-venezuelas-communists-but-are-cool-with-cubas/203587/

    where the anti-Chavistas are congregating in force.

    This particular anti-Chavista claimed that Chavez sucked billions off and would give any support until I had asked about half a dozen times. Kind of funny.

    I’m not surprised because it’s an extremely rare leader like Mujica who won’t enrich himself.

  • Jackblob

    The Spanish Partido Popular (People’s Party, PP) and the Socialist Workers’ Party (PSOE) agreed to support at the Congress of Deputies the proposals in favor of the release of Venezuelan dissidents Leopoldo López, Caracas Metropolitan Mayor Antonio Ledezma, and former Mayor Daniel Ceballos.

    The two major Spanish political parties passed a motion calling on their government to introduce the necessary initiatives before the relevant Venezuelan authorities to attain the “immediate” release of the opponents held in custody in Venezuela, Efe reported.

  • Jackblob

    Anyone here ever heard of Derwick Associates? How about the Bank of Andorra? Maybe you’ve heard of the Swiss branch of HSBC?

    These and more have been used by Chavistas to launder billions of dollars.

    The Swiss branch of HSBC alone has $14.8 billion in holdings belonging to Venezuelans and/or Venezuelan entities.

  • Jackblob

    You have got to see the hilarious video of an air raid drill in Caracas. It’s comedy gold. From the little kid dressed up as Simon Bolivar(?) to the machine gun sound effects to the guy with a knife in his chest all ending with a free meal for the participants.

    www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=jxsh0veg7ik

    Question: If this is a aerial bombing drill, who is shooting and at what are they shooting? Guided missiles? Drones? USAF planes thousands of feet in the air?

    How did a guy end up with a knife in his chest? A bomb exploded spewing knives in all directions?

    Welcome to the circus called Venezuela.

  • kevinzeese

    It is really sick that you deny the ongoing US efforts to undermine Venezuela (which are so obvious and well documented) and then you mock them for preparing to deal with the largest and most aggressive military in world history. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. described the United States as “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” His description still remains true. And Venezuela is in the US target because it is leading Latin America’s escape from more than 100 years of US hegemony and dominance.

  • Jackblob

    Perhaps it is because I am not living with your delusions.

  • kevinzeese

    Wow — all the evidence of US intervention and attempts to undermine that have been consistent since Chavez was elected and you deny reality. The US has spent tens of millions in Venezuela, intervening against the government. Either you have your eyes tightly shut or you are just part of the effort of undermining him. It is getting to the point where you may need to be stopped from publishing your propaganda here. We really don’t like trolls that undermine democracy. And, Venezuela is more of a democracy that then United States!

  • Jackblob

    “all the evidence of US intervention and attempts to undermine”

    Your so-called evidence is partly pure fantasy and partly a deliberate attempt at deception. I’ve pointed it out to you a few times but you don’t want to see. It all started with Mark Weisbrot’s fraudumentary “South of the Border” and the continuing Chavista propaganda litters your favorite website, Venezuelanalysis. How you are incapable of seeing it is astonishing. Then again, there are people who think 9-11 was an inside job. Your delusion is no different from theirs.

    I know exactly what is going on in Venezuela.

  • Jackblob

    The whole business of the NED providing training for people who participated in the 2002 coup is a perfect example of an attempt at deception.

    What kind of training and to whom was this training provided?

    If I train you to be a plumber and one year later you commit a crime, guess what? I provided training to someone that committed a crime. The same ridiculous argument is being used to accuse the NED.

  • Jackblob

    Boy, oh boy. That didn’t take long. Less than 24 hours ago it was announced that Felipe González would assist in the defense of Leopoldo Lopez. Today, both Maduro and Cabello are making coup insinuations involving the former Spanish president. Unbelievable.

    When Irwin Cotler was named to the team, Chavista rags like Telesur and Venezuelanalysis ran a quote from a South African official saying Cotler was never associated with Mandela’s legal team. That, of course, is a blatant lie.

    How can anyone take these Chavista clowns seriously?

  • Jackblob

    Libertador mayor and PSUV member Jorge Rodriguez said today that President Obama had been talked into placing sanctions against Venezuelan officials two weeks ago, and that the identity of the people who convinced him would be made public soon.

    Sounds like more opposition will be arrested under fraudulent accusations.

  • Jackblob

    BBC News uploaded a video on YouTube showing one of their correspondents trying to buy food in Caracas. The reporter, BBC Mundo’s Daniel Pardo, tried to find eight basic necessities in the city’s supermarkets: corn flour, milk, coffee, cooking oil, shampoo, laundry detergent, dish-washing soap, and toilet paper.

    After several hours of line ups at a number of supermarkets, Daniel was only able to find three of the items on his list: corn flour, laundry detergent and dish-washing soap.

    The video shows the frustrations of living through the scarcity in Venezuela. Near the beginning of the video, Daniel is forced to wait in line with dozens of people, not to be able to go into the supermarket, but rather to get a number that will later allow him to line up again to enter the store. Moreover, Daniel explains, there’s no guarantee that the supermarket even has the products he’s seeking.

    www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=1CMEmKe5mS0

    Wow, there’s all this stuff going on that Telesur and Venezuelanalysis do not report. I wonder why.

  • Jackblob

    60% of Brazilians favor impeaching President Dilma Rousseff because of an economic slump and a snowballing corruption scandal at the state-run oil company Petrobras, according to a poll released Monday.

    I guess you’ll be blaming the US for that too.

  • skuddy

    Well done, Kevin. You had all of Jackblob’s comments deleted. Are you proud of yourself?

  • skuddy

    You know what, Kevin? Never mind. You hardly ever give straight answers if at all. Mostly you post links to heavily biased articles with deliberate vagueness at best and intent to deceive at worst.

    I doubt you would have tried to answer my question. You wouldn’t know how to give a decent answer.

    It’s still shameful that you deleted my comments for no other reason than you didn’t like what I was saying. Hopefully, with all I’ve shown you about conditions in Venezuela, I made you question whether the Maduro government deserves your support.